Thread: Questions about the USA, Russia, other countries

Originally Posted by Romik

These are interesting details rockzmom, that changes are appalling for rather a short period of time!

Romik, I'm not certain your meaning of the above sentence. appalling = : inspiring horror, dismay, or disgust. Does this mean you are saying it is disgusting the changes that have taken place in such a short amount of time and that the "old" way of thinking about diversity is better?

Originally Posted by Romik

I hope this wouldn't won't be an uncosy question. There are numbers of whites in the USA is - 72.4%; but, as I get understand it they have lumped in there in Hispanics, Arabs, Pakistanis ... Could you tell you think how many nearly white Europeans you believe there are? Of course there is no strict boundaries for that but what is your perceiving perception of it?

Actually, the United States Census, (where the 72.4% number came from) requests that you list your race and break out Whites and Hispanics. Almost all demographic forms now have one question asking if you are white and a second question asking if you are of Latino or Hispanic descent. They also separate Asians, Native Americans, Native Alaskans, Native Hawaiians.

Take a look at the 2010 Census information scroll down about half way and there is an interact map with data by the entire US and by state and within the states by county.

Originally Posted by rockzmom

Actually, the United States Census, (where the 72.4% number came from) requests that you list your race and break out Whites and Hispanics. Almost all demographic forms now have one question asking if you are white and a second question asking if you are of Latino or Hispanic descent. They also separate Asians, Native Americans, Native Alaskans, Native Hawaiians.

Hmm, interesting. It may very well be that these figures are needed for statistics and statistics only, but I'm quite a bit surprised to learn this aspect of USA. For a country which fights for equality of race, ethnic-background and faith these questions stress on differences... Russia is also populated by about 180 different nationalities. In the times of Soviet Union we even had a special entry in our passports indicating the nationality. Now it's taken from there and the last population census questionnaire allowed us to enter any nationality... well, we even have Hobbits, Jedies and Elves now (I'm serious). Russia has many issues with nationalism, chauvenism and racism, but it tries to fight it by ignoring (with random success) the nationality of its subjects. US authorities, apparently, take them into account. Here are the two different approaches to similar problems.

Info about Census Data:

The Census asks different questions each time and they older ones have been very helpful when researching your "roots" as they have what year you immigrated to the US, can you read and write and a lot of other "personal" questions. Look at the questions from the 1910 one and then 2010 and they are WAY different. I feel sorry for when my grandchildren want to go back and research as the information will just not be there.

The hardest part of the newer Census has been what do you mark as your race if you are "mixed?" There is no easy way to say "Well, I'm half Black and Chinese."

Why the Census and other surveys ask about the Hispanic/Latino origins, I have no clue.

Here are some links to what was asked for different census and also what was changed and why:

1910
The 1910 census questionnaire was similar in design to that used in 1900. The most notable change was the late addition, at the behest of Congress, of a question concerning a person's "mother tongue." It was so late, in fact, that questionnaires for the census had already been printed. Information on "mother tongues" was to be added into "nativity" columns 12, 13, and 14.

1930
For the 1930 census, the population questionnaire was basically the same as it had been in 1910 and 1920.The biggest change was in racial classification. Enumerators were instructed to no longer use the "Mulatto" classification. Instead, they were given special instructions for reporting the race of interracial persons.

A person with both White and Black lineage was to be recorded as Black, no matter fraction of that lineage. A person of mixed Black and American Indian lineage was also to be recorded as Black, unless he was considered to be "predominantly" American Indian and accepted as such within the community.
A person with both White and American Indian lineage was to be recorded as an Indian, unless his American Indian lineage was very small and he was accepted as white within the community. In fact, in all situations in which a person had White and some other racial lineage, he was to be reported as that other race. Persons who had minority interracial lineages were to be reported as the race of their father.
For the first and only time, "Mexican" was listed as a race. Enumerators were to record all persons who had been born in Mexico or whose parents had been born in Mexico and who did not fall into another racial category as "Mexican."

1940
The 1940 census was the first to include a statistical sample. Five percent of people were asked an additional 16 questions. In order to gauge the effect of the Great Depression on the nation's housing stock, a census of occupied dwellings was coupled with the usual demographic questions.

The 1940 census was the first to include a separate questionnaire on the condition of the nation's housing stock. Unlike on the general population questionnaire, enumerators were required to check one of a series of options for each question, rather than write in a response.

1960
For the first time in 1960, the Census Bureau mailed out a combined population and housing questionnaire to all urban residents in the United States. Residents were to complete the questionnaire themselves and hold it until an enumerator came visit and collect the form. Enumerators then gave an additional sample questionnaire to 25 percent of households, with instructions to mail it back to their census office. Rural residents were enumerated by traditional visitation. The census "short form" collected only five questions: relationship to head of household, age, sex, race, and marital status

2010
For the 2010 census, the long- and short-form questionnaires used from 1940 to 2000 were replaced by a single questionnaire asking 10 questions. The questions asked by the long-form questionnaire are now asked by the annual American Community Survey


As for WHY they ask the questions they ask...here is a link to a sample 2010 Census Form it is interactive so as you scroll down through the questions a pop-up box explains the reasoning behind the question.

Originally Posted by Ramil

Hmm, interesting. It may very well be that these figures are needed for statistics and statistics only, but I'm quite a bit surprised to learn this aspect of USA. For a country which fights for equality of race, ethnic-background and faith these questions stress on differences...

Ramil... I was very surprised when I received a letter not o long ago telling me to expect a package, and then the thick package, and then... a post card letting me know I should have received the package, and then another package as I didn't complete the first one... all about the American Community Survey and how:

Why did I get an American Community Survey?
Your address was selected as a part of a sample and represents thousands of other households like yours. We randomly select about 3 million addresses each year to participate in the survey.

Do I have to answer these questions?
Yes. You are legally obligated to answer all the questions, as accurately as you can.
The relevant laws are Title 18 U.S.C Section 3571 and Section 3559, which amends Title 13 U.S.C. Section 221.
Your answers are important. As part of a sample, you represent many other people. Find out how each question helps your community, your state, and the federal government in questions in the form and why we ask.


I opened the package and almost had a heart attack at the questions they were asking of my: You can look at the 27 page thing here:
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downlo...12/Quest12.pdf

When I did not complete the packet in a timely fashion, I received a nice phone call offering me assistance with completing it and reminding me it is against the law NOT to complete it!

I love this answer from Ron Paul as to the answer if we should answer it or not:

Originally Posted by rockzmom

I opened the package and almost had a heart attack at the questions they were asking of my: You can look at the 27 page thing here:
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downlo...12/Quest12.pdf

They missed a question about PIN codes for your credit cards.

Originally Posted by rockzmom

When I did not complete the packet in a timely fashion, I received a nice phone call offering me assistance with completing it and reminding me it is against the law NOT to complete it!

You live in a free country... ;D

Originally Posted by Ramil

They missed a question about PIN codes for your credit cards.

You are so right about that!

Originally Posted by rockzmom

Romik, I'm not certain your meaning of the above sentence. appalling = : inspiring horror, dismay, or disgust. Does this mean you are saying it is disgusting the changes that have taken place in such a short amount of time and that the "old" way of thinking about diversity is better?

Thanks a lot for the correction rockzmom, I think that would be dismaying when your ethnic group being prevalent becomes a minority in a few decades ... I'm not quite sure what you mean upon the "old" way of thinking, of course they say that all peoples are equal but in reality it's easy to live with some side by side and with some can be tensions.

Actually, the United States Census, (where the 72.4% number came from) requests that you list your race and break out Whites and Hispanics. Almost all demographic forms now have one question asking if you are white and a second question asking if you are of Latino or Hispanic descent. They also separate Asians, Native Americans, Native Alaskans, Native Hawaiians.

Take a look at the 2010 Census information scroll down about half way and there is an interact map with data by the entire US and by state and within the states by county.

That Census data seems somewhat subjective ...
Do you know that for the Census the people from the Middle East, Arabs, Persians, Pakistanis, Hindu are Caucasians and whites but not Asians?

Originally Posted by Romik

Thanks a lot for the correction rockzmom, I think that would be dismaying when your ethnic group being prevalent becomes a minority in a few decades ... I'm not quite sure what you mean upon the "old" way of thinking, of course they say that all peoples are equal but in reality it's easy to live with some side by side and with some can be tensions.

You are correct about it being dismaying or even upsetting at times. When my hubby and I bought our house 19 years ago, my hubby and the family across from us were the only "Hispanics." Now, I am known as the "white woman" in our neighborhood as I am the only white person on our block. There is one Black female who has been there for about 15 years and one house which I believe they are from India and the rest are Hispanics.

So, when I go to the local fast food places/restaurants, the employees are predominantly Hispanics and a number of them don't speak English very well (try asking for something special, like no lettuce and no sauce... the little Spanish I know comes in handy then). The same goes for the local drug store or supermarket. That is when I get frustrated, when I can't communicate with people I need to. When my grandparents came to the US they HAD to learn English. There weren't forms in their native languages, you couldn't take your driver's test in anything but English. Now everything is bilingual, a separate form, or press 2 for English and 3 for Spanish. The former immigrants assimilated, the newer immigrants don't.


Now, it is rather interesting as where I live as you can drive about 20 minutes and it will turn into an all white area (no Hispanics or Blacks) or all black area. There are certain apartment buildings that are just melting pots of immigrants. My grandmother's old building is that way. She moved in there when it was first built (in the mid 1960s I believe) and it was only whites. Then towards the early to mid 1990's... as the former tenants died or moved to nursing homes, the new tenants that moved in were not White but Jamaican, Hindi, Blacks, Hispanics... you name it.

What was sad though was that these new tenants didn't care about the place. There was a sofa in the lobby where people sat as they waited for the mail or whatever, and they burned it. When I used to go visit as a child, I would have to be mindful of the people who lived below my grandmother. No running in her apartment or stomping feet, no screaming or very loud voices etc. That was no longer the case when she lived there in the 1990s early 2000s. You could hear kids everywhere running up and down the hallways and in their apartments and even the adults cranked up their music or tvs so loud you could hear them in her apartment.

Now I must say here that this behavior change in young kids is not just with immigrants... it is all around. People are just not teaching their children how to be respectful of others and if a parent has a difficult child, well... as a mom told me yesterday her daughter threatened her to go to a judge and say her mom "verbally abused her" because the mom lectured her (a tongue lashing) on a car ride about something and she "had to listen to it all the way home." I remember when my kids were in elementary school and a white child spilled their drink. The child didn't even attempt to clean it up. When the one of the ladies in charge went over to give the child some extra paper towels and said to her to clean it up... the child responded, "that's what you're paid to do." I heard this and just about had a heart attack. I told the little girl in no uncertain terms she needed to clean up her mess.

My daughter said I should post this photo. Our family makes videos for their school and this one I love to use and we refer to as the "diversity photo" as it shows how very different the people are who attend her school. This was a casual photo taken during lunchtime and was her group of friends in real life. It wasn't staged in any way like saying, "okay, I need: one black, asian, hispanic, white and mixed kid over here for a photo."

Originally Posted by Romik

Do you know that for the Census the people from the Middle East, Arabs, Persians, Pakistanis, Hindu are Caucasians and whites but not Asians?

I know this. My daughter's father was Moroccan. Some people don't know, but Morocco is an Arab country in North West Africa. They are descended from the Spanish Moors actually. And the Moors were descended from the Middle Eastern Arabs. When Isabella of Castile and Ferdinand of Aragon annexed Granada in 1492 for Spain and began the Spanish Inqusition, most of the Muslim Moors, even the Jews, fled to Africa and settled upon its Northern Coast. They are considered white (except for the Black Arabs, because there are Black Arabs). I always wondered how it is politically correct to call a Black person "African American," when their family has been American for several generations, but not my white daughter? Whose father was directly from the continent of Africa? The whole Ethnicity/Race stuff confuses me! But, honestly it doesn't bother me all that much. My daughter is half African and proud!