Hi, why is Russian unique from other languages??

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July 10th, 2005, 01:49 AM
startwindow3

Hi, why is Russian unique from other languages??

Hi, would you give me some facts that makes Russian an unique language compared with others (such as english) and how does that uniqueness relate to the general russian way of living, culture, and perhaps religion?
-just curious
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
-thanks aLOT
July 10th, 2005, 02:05 AM
fantom605

All I have to contribute is that it's the most difficult language I have ever tried to learn!!! :lol:
-Fantom
July 10th, 2005, 02:49 AM
kwatts59

I agree to that. :D
July 10th, 2005, 03:46 AM
Darobat

I believe Russian is the only language that has a past tense that declines like an adjective.
July 10th, 2005, 11:28 AM
Vlacko

Russian has the easiest past tense in the whole world. I'm absolutely positive.
On the root of the word just add endings:
1.-л 1.
2.-ла 2.-ли
3.-ло 3.
July 10th, 2005, 12:58 PM
TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darobat

I believe Russian is the only language that has a past tense that declines like an adjective.

If Russian does something, the chances are that the other slavic languages will do it too.

E.g. the past tense in Ukrainian and Belarussian is formed in pretty much the same way.
July 10th, 2005, 02:23 PM
Lt. Columbo

i think darobat is refering to participles - набранный номер
July 10th, 2005, 06:29 PM
kalinka_vinnie

Russian is the most spoken of all slavic languages, and therefore, for a foreigner, should be the first slavic language to learn, unless you have a specific reason to chose another (wife for example).
July 10th, 2005, 06:48 PM
kwatts59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlacko

Russian has the easiest past tense in the whole world. I'm absolutely positive.
On the root of the word just add endings:
1.-л 1.
2.-ла 2.-ли
3.-ло 3.

I tend to dissagree about this. English has the easiest past tense in the whole world. In English, there are NO endings for past tense.

I spoke
You spoke
he/she/it spoke

We spoke
You spoke
they spoke
July 10th, 2005, 07:07 PM
pranki

kwatts59, easiest past tense, and a big number of irregular verbs :wink:
July 10th, 2005, 07:30 PM
Darobat

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwatts59

I tend to dissagree about this. English has the easiest past tense in the whole world. In English, there are NO endings for past tense.

I spoke
You spoke
he/she/it spoke

We spoke
You spoke
they spoke

Kwatts, to speak is an irregular verb in english. The normal past tense ending in English is -ed.

I walked
You walked
He/she/it walked
We walked
You walked
They walked.
July 10th, 2005, 08:20 PM
Rtyom

Quote:

Originally Posted by pranki

kwatts59, easiest past tense, and a big number of irregular verbs :wink:

It's not that difficult. Try to memorize all Russian spelling changes in different verb forms supposing you are not a native. It will be horrible.
July 10th, 2005, 10:34 PM
Vlacko

Quote:

Originally Posted by pranki

kwatts59, easiest past tense, and a big number of irregular verbs :wink:

I absolutely agree with Pranki!
And yes, ending for past tense in English is -ed.
July 11th, 2005, 01:04 AM
Pioner

Russian is really unique for me personally. Just because that is the only language I know perfectly. :lol:
July 11th, 2005, 08:28 AM
VendingMachine

Re: Hi, why is Russian unique from other languages??

Quote:

Originally Posted by startwindow3

Hi, would you give me some facts that makes Russian an unique language compared with others (such as english) and how does that uniqueness relate to the general russian way of living, culture, and perhaps religion?
-just curious
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
-thanks aLOT

FYI, Russian and English are both Indo-European languages which makes them similar rather than different. But on the culture/way of living side Russian is, no doubt, a weird language and so are its native speakers. OK, happy now?
July 11th, 2005, 12:47 PM
TriggerHappyJack

With English past tense...
Does shifted sound weird to anybody else? :evil:
July 11th, 2005, 12:54 PM
scotcher

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlacko

Quote:

Originally Posted by pranki

I absolutely agree with Pranki!
And yes, ending for past tense in English is -ed.

Sometimes it's just -t.

Or maybe I dreamt it (as I slept).

:)
July 11th, 2005, 01:27 PM
VendingMachine

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotcher

Sometimes it's just -t.

Or maybe I dreamt it (as I slept).

факт. 8)
July 11th, 2005, 06:15 PM
Friendy

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotcher

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlacko

Quote:

Originally Posted by pranki

I absolutely agree with Pranki!
And yes, ending for past tense in English is -ed.

Sometimes it's just -t.

Or maybe I dreamt it (as I slept).

:)

We learned them as irregular. :)
July 11th, 2005, 07:42 PM
TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lt. Columbo

i think darobat is refering to participles - набранный номер

Well if he was he was very wrong, because most European languages have participles.

Also English past tense is easy TO FORM, but not to use.

I have played
I played
I have been playing
I was playing
July 11th, 2005, 09:55 PM
Dobry

Quote:

Originally Posted by TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lt. Columbo

i think darobat is refering to participles - набранный номер

Well if he was he was very wrong, because most European languages have participles.

Also English past tense is easy TO FORM, but not to use.

I have played
I played
I have been playing
I was playing

Yep...ya gotta love our past continuous and past perfect tenses.
:lol:
July 11th, 2005, 09:58 PM
Dobry

Quote:

Originally Posted by Friendy

We learned them as irregular. :)

Yep...those are irregular.
July 12th, 2005, 07:51 PM
Lt. Columbo

spanish past tenses are a pain in the @ss too
July 12th, 2005, 08:45 PM
fantom605

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lt. Columbo

spanish past tenses are a pain in the @ss too

I certainly agree, but the future tense is oh-so-easy! :D

-Fantom
July 12th, 2005, 09:38 PM
Lt. Columbo

but no amount of easy future can make up for the various subjuntive past forms, in fact, just talking about it makes me both angry and sad at the same time :)
July 13th, 2005, 08:21 PM
TATY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lt. Columbo

spanish past tenses are a pain in the @ss too

Spanish has pretty much the same tenses as English in the past

I played - Jueg
July 13th, 2005, 08:42 PM
fantom605

[quote=TATY]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lt. Columbo

spanish past tenses are a pain in the @ss too

Spanish has pretty much the same tenses as English in the past

I played - Jueg
July 18th, 2005, 06:23 AM
Jeff

Some Spanish compound tenses are conjugated for gender. E.g.:
July 18th, 2005, 06:51 PM
TATY

[quote=Jeff]Some Spanish compound tenses are conjugated for gender. E.g.:
July 18th, 2005, 07:25 PM
rgkatyaisashaukr

There was a study done on languages as to which is neurologically the most difficult and easiest languages to learn.

Despite English being one of the easier languages to learn (and I don't know because I'm a native speaker), it is neurologically the most difficult language to learn, along with French. Reason being pronunciation. For example, the lettering combination can be pronounced one way with one word, but is pronounced different another, such as bomb and comb. Don't forget "gh" combination sounds like "f", and so does "ph". French is obvious. For many, you never know where the end of the word is, like Versailles or mignon. Even with verbs it can be difficult -- ils connaissent.

Italian is said to be the easiest neurologically.

I thought this was interesting. What do you think?
July 18th, 2005, 07:38 PM
Jeff

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgkatyaisashaukr

There was a study done on languages as to which is neurologically the most difficult and easiest languages to learn.

What other way is there to learn, exactly ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgkatyaisashaukr

Despite English being one of the easier languages to learn (and I don't know because I'm a native speaker), it is neurologically the most difficult language to learn, along with French. Reason being pronunciation. For example, the lettering combination can be pronounced one way with one word, but is pronounced different another, such as bomb and comb. Don't forget "gh" combination sounds like "f", and so does "ph". French is obvious. For many, you never know where the end of the word is, like Versailles or mignon. Even with verbs it can be difficult -- ils connaissent.

Italian is said to be the easiest neurologically.

I thought this was interesting. What do you think?

Was that study published in Italy ? :?
July 19th, 2005, 01:51 AM
kalinka_vinnie

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgkatyaisashaukr

There was a study done on languages as to which is neurologically the most difficult and easiest languages to learn.

Despite English being one of the easier languages to learn (and I don't know because I'm a native speaker), it is neurologically the most difficult language to learn, along with French. Reason being pronunciation. For example, the lettering combination can be pronounced one way with one word, but is pronounced different another, such as bomb and comb. Don't forget "gh" combination sounds like "f", and so does "ph". French is obvious. For many, you never know where the end of the word is, like Versailles or mignon. Even with verbs it can be difficult -- ils connaissent.

Italian is said to be the easiest neurologically.

I thought this was interesting. What do you think?

This reminds me of my favorite poem, that I will recite here for the pleasure of English learners (try to read this with a french accent):

A fresh hack at an old knot - Charles Battell Loomis

I'm taught p-l-o-u-g-h
S'all be pronounc
July 19th, 2005, 02:34 AM
saibot

Well at least he didn't kill him with a cough.
July 19th, 2005, 03:19 AM
Анатолий

Re: Hi, why is Russian unique from other languages??

Quote:

Originally Posted by startwindow3

Hi, would you give me some facts that makes Russian an unique language compared with others (such as english) and how does that uniqueness relate to the general russian way of living, culture, and perhaps religion?
-just curious
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
-thanks aLOT

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantom605

All I have to contribute is that it's the most difficult language I have ever tried to learn!!! :lol:
-Fantom

You know what? We did it on purpose - to make your life harder, nothing to do with the way of life. :lol: :lol: :lol:
July 19th, 2005, 04:09 AM
DDT

"""Hi, why is Russian unique from other languages??""""

I was watching some show on TV where they used a lot of Native American speakers. They were speaking what I think was Lakota Souix tongue.

The sound of their speech was very similar to sounds in Russian, I thought. These sounds are the reason that I decided to learn Russian in the first place. I thought to myself, "Perhaps I should learn Lakota next".

I wondered if it was just me that thought that Russian had similar sounds to Lakota. Then yesterday I was sitting with a friend that I had not seen in many years when someone told her that I was learning Russian. Without hesitation she picked up the phone and called her best friend and then handed me the phone. Her friend is Russian. This was a test to see how well I could speak or perform. Not very nice of her!

Anyway, after I had finished speaking with her friend, a guy who had overheard my conversation in Russian said to me that he thought that it sounded like Native American tongue.

Does anyone else see a similarity?
July 19th, 2005, 04:28 AM
TriggerHappyJack

Speaking of native tongues...
I wish Cherokee's alphabet wasn't so damned ugly. :)
July 19th, 2005, 05:32 AM
Jeff

— ? (glottal plosive)
б b
бь —
в —
вь —
— w
г g
(гь) —
(h) γ
— h
д —
дь —
ж ž
(ж:) —
з z
зь —
й j
к k
(кь) —
— k?
— kh
— (kx)
л l
ль —
м m
мь —
н n
нь —
— ŋ
п p
пь —
— p?
— ph
— (px)
р —
рь —
с s
сь —
т t
ть —
— t?
— th
— (tx)
ф —
фь —
х x
(хь) —
чь č
— č?
— čh
ц —
ш š
щь —

а э о и ы у
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July 19th, 2005, 05:35 AM
kalinka_vinnie

Profound, Jeff, very profound!

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