The Stand Your Ground law is unbelievable. The definitions are too vague ("feel threatened"?), it almost encourages people to react with extreme violence to any minor provocation, promising them a way out and an opportunity to walk free after murdering (even) an unarmed person.

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Well, it has nothing to do with the guns, it is just a country of bureaucracy.
It's not just bureaucracy. An ordinary citizen literally can't get hold of a "real" handgun in Russia or Ukraine. No amount of papers can change that. Even to apply for so called "traumatic" gun, which shoots plastic bullets, you must belong to a certain category of people (a deputy, a court worker or a judge, a journalist, etc.), and you need to get a huge amount of papers without any guarantee that your wish will be granted.

I wanted once to visit a legal shooting gallery, where you can shoot the targets from their weapon under supervision, and it turned out I still had to get all these papers, including the one that says I was never put on trial for felony. I've never gone there after all, too much trouble.