Thread: Florida's Stand Your Ground Law

Originally Posted by delog

Well, it has nothing to do with the guns, it is just a country of bureaucracy.

It has everything to do with the guns
US has a lot of bureaucracy not less than Russia

Originally Posted by delog

even big corporations like Samsung are giving up to do a business in Russia.

Samsungs is one of the major brands on Russian market I'm not quite sure how it's "giving up"

Originally Posted by Doomer

It has everything to do with the guns
US has a lot of bureaucracy not less than Russia

Actually there are a lot of reasons why Russian authorities are chickened out to allow citizens have guns. Public moods quite furious here and there are reasons for that. So nobody can pass psychological evaluation and that is why it was included:
- Do you like Putin's regime?
- Yes, definitely.
- But you've been working as a teacher for a 12 years and your maXimum wage never been beyond $3
- It's ok.
- But you're living in the richest country in natural resources.
- Argh...
- Next!
I'm just kidding of course...

Concerning the topic it's very controversial. But it is quite clear that half measures are unacceptable. If one person can have a gun and another can't then it puts them in the unequal positions. Crimes can afford weapons in any way, they don't need to fill the applications, but if a regular person was refused in getting gun (s)he can't do much to remedy the situation. So it is a good idea that anyone can have a gun, but for using it with lethal outcome shooter must be punished to life imprisonment in any case whether he was an attacker or an defender.

Originally Posted by delog

Concerning the topic it's very controversial. But it is quite clear that half measures are unacceptable. If one person can have a gun and another can't then it puts them in the unequal positions....
So it is a good idea that anyone can have a gun

May I suggest to give a handgun to every inmate in every prison and see how they behave, let's equalize everybody

Originally Posted by delog

Actually there are a lot of reasons why Russian authorities are chickened out to allow citizens have guns.

Actually I'm more concern why the US government gone mad and allows guns to basically everybody, even idiots, clearly

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Originally Posted by Pavelov

Yep, they'd probably let even you have a gun.

hopefully the moderator will punish this troll

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Originally Posted by delog

Actually there are a lot of reasons why Russian authorities are chickened out to allow citizens have guns. Public moods quite furious here and there are reasons for that. So nobody can pass psychological evaluation and that is why it was included:
- Do you like Putin's regime?
- Yes, definitely.
- But you've been working as a teacher for a 12 years and your maXimum wage never been beyond $3
- It's ok.
- But you're living in the richest country in natural resources.
- Argh...
- Next!
I'm just kidding of course...

Concerning the topic it's very controversial. But it is quite clear that half measures are unacceptable. If one person can have a gun and another can't then it puts them in the unequal positions. Crimes can afford weapons in any way, they don't need to fill the applications, but if a regular person was refused in getting gun (s)he can't do much to remedy the situation. So it is a good idea that anyone can have a gun, but for using it with lethal outcome shooter must be punished to life imprisonment in any case whether he was an attacker or an defender.

That makes no sense.

So, criminals can get guns easily but law-abiding people cannot and get life imprisonment even if they defend themselves from harm?

The Americans had the principle of freedom to bear arms because the Founding Fathers believed they needed a method to guard against Government infringing against the citizens and abusing their power.

It had nothing to do with enabling idiots and irrational dimwits and others from either getting guns or being against others having guns.

Of course Commie-worshiping Soviets (on here) would not comprehend the concept or principle at all but at least they had brainwashing to discourage their understanding. Americans have no such excuse. :=)

Originally Posted by Doomer

May I suggest to give a handgun to every inmate in every prison and see how they behave, let's equalize everybody

May I criticise your idea? Inmates were placed in prison for a reason and they do not need equalization.

Originally Posted by Doomer

Actually I'm more concern why the US government gone mad and allows guns to basically everybody, even idiots, clearly

Ok, here you are: in 1987 in Florida was passed a law allowing citizens to carry weapons and number of murders decreased by 36%. And in general, the states that allows carry weapons have lower level of crime than in the states which not allows to carry the guns.

Originally Posted by delog

May I criticise your idea? Inmates were placed in prison for a reason and they do not need equalization.

So the Russian law moved a little bit further and came up with other reasons

Originally Posted by delog

Ok, here you are: in 1987 in Florida was passed a law allowing citizens to carry weapons and number of murders decreased by 36%. And in general, the states that allows carry weapons have lower level of crime than in the states which not allows to carry the guns.

right, this is a nice word play from NRA. Murders maybe decreased but not homicides
Let's see the changes from 2005, shall we?

Originally Posted by rockzmom

In light of the shift in the law, it's not surprising that since the law went into effect, reports of justifiable homicides have tripled, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

Originally Posted by Doomer

Originally Posted by delog

Ok, here you are: in 1987 in Florida was passed a law allowing citizens to carry weapons and number of murders decreased by 36%. And in general, the states that allows carry weapons have lower level of crime than in the states which not allows to carry the guns.

right, this is a nice word play from NRA. Murders maybe decreased but not homicides

What is the difference between murders and homicides? Did you mean murder|er|s? If you did, then I didn't.

Originally Posted by Doomer

Let's see the changes from 2005, shall we?

Originally Posted by rockzmom

In light of the shift in the law, it's not surprising that since the law went into effect, reports of justifiable homicides have tripled, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

That is exactly I'm talking about. This law (stand your ground) is a rubbish. Everybody should be punished for murdering.

Originally Posted by delog

What is the difference between murders and homicides? Did you mean murder|er|s? If you did, then I didn't.

Homicide is a killing
Murder is an unlawful killing