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Hey all! I have a sort of odd question for you... does anyone know if Stalin had a Georgian accent in Russian? I was reading the section on Russian jokes in wikipedia, and it mentioned something about adopting a heavy Georgian accent while telling Stalin jokes. Anyway, I just wanted to know if there was a linguistic reason for this, beyond the fact that he was from Georgia.
Спасибо!
I often wondered about this too. He was born in the 1880s or 90s i think in georgia... So when/ where did he learn to speak russian? Or were people already speaking russian there at that time?
Though when telling stalin jokes using the accent is probly just for good measure. Like if an american was telling a joke about boris yeltsin, he might talk in a russian accent.
yes, he had...i remember i was watching some kind of chronological movie about him...and as far as i remember he had an accent.. :roll:
Канэшна, имэл аксент.
"А ви папитайтесь, таварищ Горький. Папитка - не питка, не правда ли, таварищ Берья?"
He had really strong accent. :)
Yes, he had some accent but in my opinion it was not that strong. Georgians usually have a broad accent, and in comparison with them Stalin's one was slight.
Stalin - Speech on 3rd July 1941
http://download.sovmusic.ru/m/st_30741.mp3
Stalin - Victory over Germany
http://download.sovmusic.ru/m/st_1945.mp3
So where did he learn russian? Did he speak georgian too?
I'm not sure that he also spoke Georgian. Most people in the former Soviet republics knew Russian very well at the time. What's more, Stalin used to speak to a lot of the party's leaders in the 1920s. Even if he couldn't speak good Russian in the 1920s he had a good chance to improve it. And he seized that chance!
Could women be fighter pilots in the soviet union? Can they now? In america they can. Anyways, i ask because in the movie 007 - Goldeneye Theres a woman, Zina, who is from Georgia and they say she's an Ex soviet fighet pilot.
Was that at all possible or bad research by bond.
The "Night Witches" are heros of Russia. Their missions took just as much skill and bravery as any fighter pilot!
http://www.nzfpm.co.nz/theatres/tow_tbfm.htm
i wasnt doubting the skills of women as pilots, only wondering of soviet military allowed them.
I don't think so now. On Moscow news in Sept there was film of an American fighter pilot group visiting Russia. There was one female pilot who got asked all the questions and she was treated like a real novelty. I think the announcer made some side comment that there weren't any fighter pilots in the Russian military. But I think it's interesting that the Night Wiches were so important to the defense of Russia and also that the first woman in space was a Russian, but now no women flying fighters (or at least no publicity about them if they exist).
I think that there were a few female pilots in the USSR. The reason for it was that they probably wanted to show that the Soviet Union is the country where everyone had liberty...shall we say, freedom of choice. I don't think that there are now more female pilots in Russia.
Dogdoy, do you know that a woman on board a ship is believed to be a bad sign?
no :D , i did not know.
I think that belief is outdated nowadays or isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ReDSanchous
I mean military ships
Here's what Wikipedia says about Stalin:
"At eight years old, Soso began his education at the Gori Church School. When attending school in Gori, Soso was among a very diverse group of students. Stalin and most of his classmates were Georgian and spoke mostly Georgian. However, at school they were forced to use Russian. Even when speaking in Russian, their Russian teachers mocked Stalin and his classmates because of their Georgian accents."
So, yes, he did speak Georgian. Even if people knew Russian well at the time though, you have to remember that Russian never replaced the languages of the sattelite nations of the Russian (and later, Soviet) empire/union. Despite programs/encouragement otherwise. I suppose if he was young enough when he started learning it (in this case, 8) he might have acquired a native accent. What could be the case, though, is that he attained educated native fluency in Russian, but since Georgian was only a home language, spoke (on the state department scale) what would about to a level 3 or 4, basic proficiency or advanced proficiency; lots of second-generation kids in America have show this phenomenon. I dunno, I was just curious if it still showed later, since my Russian isn't fantastic and I can't find any recordings of Stalin to check for myself.
In the youth Stalin (of course) not only spoke Georgian perfectly -- he wrote verses in Georgian. And, probably, not so bad ones -- because some poetry by Iosif Dzhugashvili was published in some georgian poetry anthology back in 1900's.
One of my coaches (I was a rhythmic gymnast) is from Ukraine and she said that they were required to learn Russian in school. If they wished to learn Ukrainian, it was treated as a second language.
We were required to learn both Russian and Ukrainian in Ukraine. What language was the first and what was the second depended on what school the child attended. For example I lived in russian speaking area of Ukraine and attended "russian" school, so we studied russian as a primary language and Ukrainian as a second (and English as third :wink: ).Quote:
Originally Posted by MalenkayaKatinka
I believe Belarussian suffered the most due to the Soviets and now due to Lukashenko. If you look at Lukashenko's (the president of Belarus') website, you can view it in Russian or English, but not Belarussian.
The official site of the goverment of Belarus' is in Russian only.
I believe after the break-up of the Soviet union there was an initial surge in Belarussian language, but Lukashenko and his government have supressed and reversed it.
P.s. did you know that Minsk is Mensk in Belarussian?
You, guys, probably talk about comparatively recent times - Breznev, may be. But 60-70 years ago it was a different story. For example, my grandmother, she is Belarussien, before the W.War II could berely speak Russian, she spoke Belarussian and Polish. She basically learned Russian in the army.Quote:
Originally Posted by MalenkayaKatinka
Is Belarussian really close to Polish compared to Russian?
Yes, of course :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dogboy182
http://www.zhurnal.lib.ru/img/b/belo...oc/index.shtml
As far as I know, there are a lot of newspapers, published in Belarus in "suppressed" Belarussian.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
No, I didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
Linguistically? I don't think so. But I am not a specialist.Quote:
Originally Posted by djmihow
Really, I checked wikipedia. Seems more towards Polish thatn Russian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarusian_alphabet
Bielarussian suffered the most due to the Nazis who destroyed (among other cultural buildings) almost all libraries. It was uncorrectable loss. So, after the war Russian SFSR shared with Bielorussian SSR library stock from Russian libraries that naturally was in Russian.Quote:
Originally Posted by TATY
FromQuote:
Originally Posted by Scorpio
http://www.stalin.su/book.php?action=header&id=30
A poem written by young Iosif translated in Russian from Georgian
(If there is any Georgian to tell us how good originals are?)
Шел он от дома к дому,
В двери чужие стучал.
Под старый дубовый пандури
Нехитрый мотив звучал.
В напеве его и в песне,
Как солнечный луч чиста,
Жила великая правда -
Божественная мечта.
Сердца, превращенные в камень,
Будил одинокий напев.
Дремавший в потемках пламень
Взметался выше дерев.
Но люди, забывшие Бога,
Хранящие в сердце тьму,
Вместо вина отраву
Налили в чашу ему.
Сказали ему: "Будь проклят!
Чашу испей до дна!..
И песня твоя чужда нам,
И правда твоя не нужна!"
My clumsy attempt to make a lineal translation of the Russian translation from Georgian:
He went from one house to the next,
And knocked at the stranger's doors.
A simple motive sounded
To his old oak fiddle accompaniment.
In his tune and in his song,
Clean as a solar ray,
There lived the great truth -
Elevated dream.
And hearts that were converted into stones,
The lonely tune aroused.
Flame that was dormant in the darkness
Was tossed above trees.
But people who forgot God,
And who kept the dark in their hearts,
Instead of wine
Filled his cup with poison.
They told him: "Sorrow on you!
Drain the cup to the dregs!..
Your song is alien to us,
And your truth is not necessary!"
Before 1896.
No, grammatically, pronounciation, spelling it is much closer to Russian. (It is the closest language to Russian).Quote:
Originally Posted by djmihow
It does have lots of words similar with Polish though.
Don't be fooled by the Latin alphabet, its unofficial and not used much.
It's not exactly true. There were both Ukrainian and Russian schools. In Russian schools we were tought Ukrainian as a second language and all other disciplines (like math, geography, ect.) were tought in Russian, in Ukrainian schools we were tought Russian as a second language and all other disciplines were tought in Ukrainian. It was parents' choice in what school (Russian or Ukrainian) to send a child.Quote:
Originally Posted by MalenkayaKatinka
But it was not that easy to find a university even in Ukraine were students were tought in Ukrainian.
But now in Ukraine, where 35-40% of people still speak Russian and there are big regions (like Krimea, Donbass, Lugansk region, etc.) where 80-90% of people speak Russian, it's almost impossible to send a kid to a Russian school.
Friendy, the navy is all about buggery, cat-o'nine-tails and buggery. There are no women involved. It's all about buggery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Friendy